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Nereid

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More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« on: June 06, 2018, 11:58:37 AM »
Has anyone added a staysail to their 365 ketch, to make it a cutter ketch? And/or other additional sails like a ballooner, mizzen staysail, or fisherman's sail?
Thanks!
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Nereid

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2018, 10:34:51 AM »
Anybody out there these days?
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SV Alfresco

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 12:17:27 PM »
I thought Dale did that to his 365. There is a section on this site about his boat. I have a 367 cutter. The sailmaker tried to convince me to ditch the staysail and go with a genoa but I stuck with the cutter rig and bought new head sails last year and the main the year before. The previous owner used it as a sloop but I had tennis elbow from cranking that sucker. My choices were to go with the cutter rig or get bigger winches.  I like the flexibility of the cutter rig. The 367's mast is 1.5ft aft of the 365 mast for more room for the staysail. BTW, my old sails may have been the original. Hood said they hadn't done that type of stitching in 25 years. The speed increase, pointing ability, and less heeling are incredible.

Mike

Nereid

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2018, 04:09:46 PM »
Thanks Mike! I will have to take a look and see what Dale has posted on it.
How is yours rigged up to the deck? And do you use a furler or hank on?
I was thinking of maybe going with a hank on, and using dynema as the standing stay for the staysail.
Thoughts?
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-Isaac
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SV Alfresco

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2018, 10:59:17 AM »
Isaac,

The 367 has a removable stay. There is hardware on the deck to clamp it tight and below the deck, in the chain locker, there is a cable the goes from the bottom of the deck to the hull at the bow to take the stress. There is also a boom that attaches to the deck and a traveler. There are also running backstays. My staysail is hanked on.

Mike

Nereid

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2018, 09:10:02 AM »
Mike,
Thanks for the help! How many feet are between the staysail and headsail?
Im still trying to figure out weather or not to put the extra stay on; especially for an easy way to hank on my storm jib.
Thanks,
-I
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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2018, 08:03:08 PM »
Isaac,

45" between headstay chainplate and staysail stay deck plate on my 367.

Nereid

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2018, 03:34:40 PM »
Wonderful i'll start planning.
Thanks for your help everyone!
-I
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AdamLein

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Re: More sail!--Adding Additional Sails
« Reply #8 on: Today at 08:07:28 PM »
Thanks for posting your measurements! I'm interested in making the same modification. However I'm not sure if it makes sense to place the inner forestay the same 45" back from the headstay, given the different position and height of the mast. For the 365 conversion, do you think you would make any adjustments to that measurement?

If you keep the same measurement, the foresail will be smaller than on the 367. I did some calculations using I and J values from sailboatdata.com. With a 45" offset for the inner forestay, the 367 inner foretriangle is 212 sqft which is 60% the foretriangle area. If you use the same offset on the 365, the inner foretriangle is 56% of the foretriangle area, which I suppose is pretty close. Sounds good for a heavy-weather rig I suppose.

Nereid, have you done any further work on this project? What are you doing about sheeting? Running backstays? Will your staysail have a boom?