Author Topic: Paragon SAOD what not to do.  (Read 1582 times)

stbtack1

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Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« on: June 17, 2017, 11:18:16 AM »
This was mentioned before but I missed it because it was near the end of a previous tread. I want this to be top and center to anyone looking to repair a SAOD. While researching someone to repair my saod I ran across American Transmission David Layman. After my nightmare I discovered that American Transmission is no longer a business in good standing in Md and shut down. The calls get forwarded to Daves cell phone where he will tell you to ship it to his new address which happens to be his home. Of course the victim (me) does not know any of this. My first clue of trouble was when he sent me pictures of the tyranny on his work bench which happened to be the tailgate of his pick up. Being the fool that I can be I sent him payment to rebuild anyway. That was nearly three months ago. After he had it for 5 weeks he quit returning calls and I was on the verge of reporting him for wire fraud which carries the sting of a federal crime as he sent me a photocopy bill via text for work he was not intending to do. As he had my tranny and my money I decided to try and track him down instead. Most crooks are not very smart (and apparently neither am I) so I was to track him to his current employer. Once he realized I knew where he worked, which could be trouble for him, he promised he would send it by the end of the week. Well three weeks later still no tranny. Finially, to rub insult into injury he sent it back freight collect after I had already paid him to ship it.  I am now terrified as to what work he actually did but at least I will have the tranny back. All I can say is the guy lies when the truth sounds better and a fool and his money are easily parted. If you use this guy after reading this then you are a fool.
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Billy Ellis
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Re: Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 02:15:05 PM »
Wow!  That really sucks man.  Glad you did get your trans back and thank you for posting this up!
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Re: Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 12:50:46 PM »
Ouch!  Thanks for letting everyone know.  That transmission is popular on a lot of other boats too. 
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Re: Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2017, 11:50:11 AM »
I sold my SAOD for $200 to a fellow 365 owner after I realized that parts where scarce, unavailable and/or very expensive. I think the price for clutch plates was $1000. Get some sea water in there at some time in the past and you may be left with a pile of junk. If you strip the spline off the input shaft, good luck finding that part. The bottom line is many time these old gear boxes, Walter V Drives included, are beyond repair. I can testify that paying freight to ship  one of these old boat anchors at times is wasted money.

 I bought a new Borg Warner for my boat.

Pete, old Hull#6
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Henri Hali

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Re: Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2018, 02:29:32 PM »
I had the same experience  with that SOB David Layman (not to be confused with SAOD.) about five years ago. I'm sure I posted my experience here a number of years ago, so I'll let those interested review my postings.

Suffice it to say it took four months and over two grand to get the unit back.

Now to the present. I've always hated that piece of crap. I'm Convinced who ever designed the Paragon had to have been an arthropod. When I'm at the helm and need to shift into reverse, my left hand holds the wheel, my right hand controls the throttle, and my left leg tries to hold the shift lever in reverse. As to neutral, I've had the boat for almost twenty years and I still don't really know where that is.

Two weeks ago I was out for the first time this season with my new set of North Sail sails. (150 genny on furler, Full batten main and mizzen. Both free footed.)
I purchased them from Dale Tanske in Buffalo.  Hats off to you Dale I am thrilled.

As is my usual procedure at the end of the day I nosed the boat into the wind and put her on autopilot to bring down the sails. When done I turned off the autopilot and throttled up.
Then all hell broke loose I heard a loud bang I thought I'd hit something and was not able to move the boat forward or reverse. The engine was fine but that was it, Other than the wind she was dead in the water.

Sea Tow was called, ( the only bargain in boating!) towed us to my winter yard and had her hauled and is on the hard.

Turns out the the damper plate and spline gears on the tranny bought the farm.
F......k the (excuse the expletive) SAOD. I've ordered a Velvet Drive which is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I hope to have it installed by the end of the week. I will keep you all posted.

As the saying goes, B-O-A-T  Bring out another thousand!

Henri
         
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Re: Paragon SAOD what not to do.
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2018, 04:06:43 PM »
Henri, keep us posted on the cost if the velvet drive conversion.
Billy Ellis
Salty Dog 1981  P365 Hull 364